Michael Gazzaniga on the Radio

Neuroscientist Michael Gazzaniga was on WNYC’s The Brian Lehrer show today. He called “the explanatory gap”–between neural physiology and subjective experience–“the scientific question of our time.” The show just finished, but it should go online here shortly.

Gazzaniga is well known for his research on the relationships between the brain’s two-hemispheres–and his work with “split-brain” patients. He has also written a couple of books on questions about free will. You may remember Damasio discussing his work.

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Things To Think About

Damasio attempts to describe a framework in which we may hope to better understand what it is that makes us conscious, able to feel, and aware of our bodies while feeling and emulating others. He does so by describing different components of the brain, their functions and how they might relate to consciousness with fair examples. Very early in Self Comes to Mind however, Damasio admits he has no working definition of Consciousness:

  • To better understand Demasio’s Framework what do you believe his definition would be of consciousness? What is yours?

We read some children are born without major components of their brains not functioning, in which their attitudes resemble that of infants where they exhibit simple pleasures and pains but aren’t capable higher order brain functions:

  • If a child’s brain is largely developed at birth what gives it an autobiographical self and when? Are there limits to the levels of self of a disabled individual with neurological illness? What might be the ethical or moral consequences of defining these levels as Demasio has in his framwork?

Demasio and Hustvedt both offer examples of their personal experiments, experience and theory as well as those of others to determine what it means to be who we are.

  • What are the differences and similarities between their two approaches? What aspects of each do you agree/disagree with?
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Questions regarding Damasio’s Self Comes to Mind

1. Having now read Damasio and Hustverdt…Do you have a clearer idea of the differences between emotions and feelings?
2. Damasio theory is biological explanation of consciousness. He basically say that this is not a linear process but in some cases a parallel processes that happen almost simultaneously in different parts of the brain. Physically he locates the proto-self in the area of the primitive brain…he even locates the core consciousness in close proximity…and then the autobiographical self is located in the temporal and frontal higher order cortices as well as the amygdala, but he also talks of an auto biographical self of which we are conscious.pg 200. This implies a higher level of consciousness above the autobiographical self. Based on my own experiences and the work of people like Roberto Assigoli I would say this is a possibility. My question: Does anybody know where he might have biologically anchored this fourth level of consciousness or observing-self in the mind? (The first being proto, the second being core consciousness, the third being autobiographical consciousness and the forth being the observer of the autobiographical consciousness.)

3. My third question has to do with evolution and is a little more philosophical. A great deal of Damasio’s theory is built on Darwinian theory of evolution…that survival of the fittest dictated how and why our biological neurologically generated brain, accidentally (by way of mutations) settled on something that knows that it knows, which includes knowing that it will die? Does it seem like biology has created an unsolvable conundrum for a biological entity which moment by moment strives to live in a state of homeostasis? Of course if biology does not create the conundrum then what does?

4. At the end of the fourth Chapter Damasio states that the body of an organism represented in the brain is essential for the creation of the self, (loc 1695 of 5527, Kindle) along with another implication: “because we can depict our own body states, we can more easily simulate the equivalent body states of others… The range of phenomena denoted by the word empathy owes a lot to this arrangement.”

From such a statement are we to understand that over the course of evolution, while random mutations of our genome have been forming our brains to be empathetic, these same random mutations have been honing our biological tools to survive at all cost? I’d like to believe this, but the realities of the world I live in like IS, or the Nazi death camps, or the 21st century unique way of shaming people on twitter, seem to deny the idea that humans have been biologically and genetically wired for empathy as Damasio would have us believe. What do you think?

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A Mind on its Own

In the first few chapters of the books The Feeling of What Happens and Self Comes to Mind, Antonio Damasio takes on the mystery of consciousness by grounding his answers to the biological foundation of the mind. Of particular interest is the idea of the body’s need to ensure homeostasis. Not only does it provide a platform to explain feelings such as pain and pleasure to keep humans within the life-supporting zone but it also gives this management, the mind, a goal, or a purpose so to speak. However with that platform the’s mind purpose seems to have extended beyond the need to maintain the body within its comfort zone and now includes its own interests as well. The mind, having been at first introduced as a tool to help keep the body within its homeostasis state, has outgrown its evolutionary function and became a purpose in itself. It is at this transition that I think Damasio’s explanations fall somewhat short. If natural selection remained in control, it would not have allowed the mind to put the body at risk. Yet people go to war. In what way does going to war, and not simply self-defense, help the body maintain its homeostasis state? Similarly, the body is indifferent to the amount of wealth a person owns as long as it is enough to survive. But the mind seems endlessly preoccupied with finding ways to increase wealth and forces the body to work harder and longer than needed. The body obeys and in doing so risks its wellbeing. Another example is education. How does the body compel the mind to pursue an education, or is it rather the other way around? Is it the mind that dictates the body to go to school? To be sure, Damasio did say that human conscious mind has taken evolution in a new course by providing us with choices and by making relatively complex sociocultural regulation. But when he extrapolated the mind’s life regulation function to include other organisms in societies and subsequently the rise of culture, he undermined the link between the mind and its biological origin in evolution. It is this biological underpinning that is the premise with which Damasio seeks to demystify consciousness.  But once the mind engages in matters that have little to do with keeping the body safe to enhance reproductive success, then what we have is sort of a floating mind detached from the body and without relation to Damasio’s view of a mind. In other words, if the mind does not serve its role in natural selection, then why is it there for? The question as to how the human mind evolved to its current state is ultimately not the question that generates the mystery of consciousness. We can safely assume that when we talk about the evolution of the human body it includes the mind as well. It is this floating mind, one that seems to have a life on its own often in defiance of its original purpose in natural selection, that is closer to the mystery of consciousness and the little man, the homunculus, inside us.

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Consciousness v. Mind

I am interested in parsing out a distinction between consciousness and mind. Early on in “Stepping Into The Light,” Damasio describes loss of consciousness as “dissolv[ing] into unsolicited unknowingness.” I thought about this in relation to meditation, which describes the meditative trance in similar language: primordial awareness, vast, nothingness that is not a void, etc. Part of meditation is observing the mind (almost never called consciousness) and breaking attachment to what the mind creates. This is different from losing consciousness; meditation is supposed to be a bright and clear and alert state (I am sorry I do not have better, more precise language). I found Damasio’s later discussion of consciousness as an understanding of images to be useful in this regard because it is clear that mind and consciousness are different.

However, he later writes that the presence of an individual “never quits… The presence must be there or there is no you.” In mediation, we are trying to move away from an I-centered approach or view. Meditation is (sometimes) about dissolving into expansive awareness without a center, without an I, without attachment and subjectivity. I think. I am interested in learning more about mediation and identity or sense of self.

Unrelatedly — Damasio’s comment on asides and digressions is a perfect example of the singular and linear aspects of consciousness that are simply unavoidable. Our brain — our higher-level thinking — cannot hold two trains of thought or discussion simultaneously. He links this to physics but I think it can be equally linked to consciousness. His later exercise of looking forward, then back at the book, then 180 degrees behind indicates that our brain/consciousness can only process one image/experience at a time. So his witty little aside about Elizabethan asides actually is a great example of how consciousness works.

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Pondering

Damasio’s anecdote in “Stepping into the Light” involving the patient who was “bodily present but personally unaccounted for, absent without leave” made me wonder about other situations in which our consciousness if affected while in a waking state. In my experience of witnessing panic attacks, there seems to be some parallels in that certain functions work but others are absent. The panic attack leaves motor functions present but seems to paralyze the conscious and awaken the subconscious. I say this because the person I have observed while experiencing a panic attack seemed to lose her sense of self and completely lose her capacities to the overwhelming fear that enveloped her. At times she is unable to describe the fear (after the fact) but it comes on anyway. Very frequently she would experience anxiety attacks and have absolutely no understanding of what had inspired them. Back to the panic attacks though, it seemed that she could possibly hurt herself and others because she was so absent from her very functional body. While the same as the patient having an absence seizure, there definitely seems to be levels of consciousness that are affected by different stimuli.

Reading through the Self Comes to Mind: Constructing the Conscious Brain is leaving me without a lot of general questions and also whimsical pondering. I thought I could include them here to see if anyone else shared my questions or had responses to them. I will go through my comments and questions in order.

On page 5, Damasio describes, with fear, the possibility that evolution could have possibly not led humans down the road to consciousness. He rightfully points out that, as unconscious beings, we would be unaware of our plight and loss which leads me to think that blissfully ignorant would not have been so terrible either. My pessimistic thoughts have two origins: first, the earth would probably have been in a much better state had we not had the capability to invent so many objects that cause it harm. Secondly, consciousness allows us to experience both pleasure and pain and to understand the differences between them, a juxtaposition I respect. However, consciousness is also what allows human cruelty to run rampant and for people to inflict untold suffering on one another. There is much to delight in, as demonstrated by his personal attraction to Bach piano paritas and Venice’s Grand Canal, however, where does the scale tip between the positives of the beauty humans have created and the horrors we constantly perpetuate?

Page 25 and page 61, as well as the reading from last week all discussed the idea that our conscious is a step behind our bodies’ stimuli to create a physical motion. The significance of our consciousness being behind is the possibility that free will does not exist. The article was the only reference to explicitly state this but Damasio seems to insinuate the idea when he writes “the oddest thing about the upper reaches of consciousness performance is the conspicuous absence of a conductor before the performance begins, although, as the performance unfolds, a conductor comes into being” (25). I may have misinterpreted this line, in which case, I welcome the explanations of others. The other instance is his description of the C. elegens, a worm. Damasio describes their survival habits but informs us “they do not really know what they are doing, let alone why” (61). The worms’ ability to respond to its environment and respond without self or outside awareness intrigues me because it does beg the question of whether free will exists or if we are just programmed. The way Damasio describes the evolution of the self is that we are able to make our own plans, “permit offline planning and deliberative thinking,” however, how much control do we really have? (62).

The last idea (I have many comments throughout the margins but this getting rather lengthy) that I will talk about is the measurement of human intelligence. My interest comes from Damasio’s statement that “It turns out that living creatures without any brain at all, down to single cells, exhibit seemingly intelligent and purposeful behavior as well” (34). The western world often puts very specific and quantifiable measurements to determine intelligence as if intelligence measurements are based upon a specific function or can be limited to a few skill tests. I think his statement is incredibly significant in its potential implications for how we interpret intelligence. Sheer extreme survival skills are an important form of intelligence that is often ignored, belittled, or as he said, underappreciated. How do others interpret this Damasio’s short statement on intelligence in brainless beings?

 

OK, I’m done. I apologize for writing so much.

 

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Damasio’s birth of knowing

In “Stepping Into the Light,” Damasio says “At its simplest… consciousness lets us recognize an irresistible urge to stay alive and develop a concern for the self. At its most complex… consciousness helps us develop a concern for other selves and improve the art of life.” It seems to me that much of Damasio’s ideas are filling a space of naming things that many people can intuitively nod their heads to, but that may have not been filled in before his naming them (within such a linear, definition-based system). This naming acts as a “kicking the ball down the field,” so to speak, as part of a larger conversation that will happen around and after what he has to say in these two pieces we are reading for today’s class. His naming things as he does can only help, in my opinion, as the technology and research from various disciplines, groups of experts, and experiences are all built into a more specific body of knowledge toward sussing out self and consciousness.

In my opinion, the first of Damasio’s most interesting points from “Stepping Into the Light” is that “consciousness and emotion are not separable.” The second is that the different levels of self (proto, core, and autobiographical) are stacked so that the proto acts as a base for the core, and the proto and core as bases for the autobiographical. Similarly, he triangulates mind, body, and brain such that all three are necessary for true consciousness. His discussion of consciousness as the device that people possess to maximize life management in a complex environment, enabling forethought and potential life/path planning, is also interesting (and fraught with complication, as many of the other blog posts point out regarding discussing evolution). 

In the solo chapter, Damasio’s argument/proof method is much more clear and linear than in Self Comes to Mind, probably because the latter came out many years later and inevitably uses his previous work as a foundation that he’s since built upon, and to which he adds more research and information from other people in various fields surrounding him. In this sense, I found the solo chapter less dense and more digestible.  Overall, I might agree with Damasio that consciousness “prevailed in evolution because knowing the feelings caused by emotions was so indispensable for the art of life,…” but his last words in the chapter, which say that he is comfortable with someone taking that to mean that “consciousness was invented so that we could know life,” immediately made me ask the question: how? Is Damasio saying our bodies invented this consciousness? 

Another question I had after finishing this solo chapter is: if how we feel toward something can affect behavior (good/bad), and our bodies feel certain ways and then act as changed by those feelings, what would Damasio say about when a person’s value systems are confused by NURTURE? As Damasio points out (and with which I very much agree), it seems difficult to look at these biological and chemical questions of self and consciousness without looking at people’s broader life management categories, including psychology and sociology. (Another question which many of today’s blog posts bring up… that isolating parts of this discussion without toggling back and forth from a more macro perspective might do it a disservice.)

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“My Stroke of Insight”- Jill Bolte Taylor

We never discussed the TED lecture by Jill Bolte Taylor so here are some of my thoughts.
I was at first wowed by the description of her stroke. But after Reading  DeMasio and Hustvedt I wonder if Taylor’s autobiographical self  shaped her understanding of what was happening to her.
The ethereal elements she described the feeling of connected to everything and nothing. Is that what she has revised as what she experienced a coping mechanism. A way to own the experience?
Also I wondered if that the feelings she f described were her proto self. Bc the spatial descriptions of being enormous and small at the same time revealed that maybe she is unaware of relation to exterior objects.
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Demasio -Bits that jump out

I appreciate DeMasio’s attempt at including the reader by giving  examples and methods of understanding his theories and points. He has a conversational tone, Although he can get quite technical he still brings  the reader back with a light story or a task for the reader.  A few key points that jumped out at me while reading  is the all encapsulating tone of evolution; firing neurons  setting off cognition on a greater scale, the degrees of consciousness and emotions from proto then primordial to autobiographical. He also explores and reinforces the idea that there is a constant interplay between body and mind. Where each serves as a touch stone for the other in formulation consciousness of self and the external and internal world. Another  theme that runs throughout is  “the brain’s making maps of itself making maps.” the feeling of this quotes is this constant rolling or embroiled process that doesn’t stop.

The David Hume quote used by DeMasio – that in his opinion dismisses the idea of self. I don’t exactly agree that this is a dismissal. because in his statement ” they (mankind) are nothing but a bundle or collection of different perceptions, which succeed each other wit and inconceivable rapidity, and are in perpetual flux and movement.” (p 11) This assertion by David Hume reinforces the idea of the revisionist autobiographical self and what that entails. Perceptions serve as viewpoints, that are constructed through interactions with objects and events, and the constant flux is the  revision of that perception , isn’t the the defining aspect of the autobiographical self?

  • Adaptive behaviors mimicking those caused by the mind and levels of conscious thought. this assertions claims that to survive all organisms do not have to have a  mind per say but a properly functioning brain  that provides that primordial messages to steer the body… Moving on to Primordial feelings DeMasio brings up (barely) in Chapter 4 of “Self Comes To Mind”  If the primordial self is a pre- autobiographical self then how can there be primordial feelings before an autobiographical self?
  • Bringing the body to mind is the ultimate expression of the brain’s intrinsic aboutness, it’s intentional attitude regarding the body. ( P 90)
  • Intent is the basis of mental phenomena- single celled organisms appear to have intent in their behavior yet don’t in DeMasio’s explanation, because they lack the autobiographical self.  However they do have  a core consciousness therefore, couldn’t one argue that the intent/ drive  to survive is the basic tenet of all organisms therefore multi celled/ complex organisms as well as single celled/ simple organisms can express intent,

 

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Damasio’s Terms

Antonio Damasio’s theories of consciousness and the self are complicated and can get bewildering on a first reading. This is partly because he builds the theory through the explanation of relationships among a pretty large number of parts. The good news is that he’s careful to define his key terms–which give names to these various parts. A good way to get a handle on Damasio is to keep track of his key terms as you read and to revisit them. First, be sure that you understand his definition of each term. Then, do your best to understand the relationships among the terms. If you understand these relationships, you’ll understand the nuances of the theories he proposes.

Here’s a list of terms to look out for:

  • organism, object, and image
  • core consciousness and extended consciousness
  • primordial self, prot0 self, core self, autobiographical self
  • self-as-subject and self-as-object
  • qualia, emotion, and feeling
  • image, neural pattern, neural representation, maps
  • internal milieu and homeostasis
  • body loop and “as if body loop”

You’ll find these terms scattered throughout the two texts we’re reading. Just look out for them at first and mark them when you come across them. Revisit them later and see if you think you’ve understood his point with regard to each.

We’ll talk about all this in class, but your reading will be easier and more productive if you focus on the terms from the outset.

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